Some untrustworthy religious experiences can’t justify rejecting all religion.

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  1. If You reject those experiences without proper discernment you may reject Christ. Your teaching here would seem to reject the experience of many, where there are now pilgrimages in your RC Church. I believe you have just rejected 95% of Catholic tradition and practice right there.

    As a non RC but someone who appreciates many aspects of your faith this seems a little bit obscure please reply.

    • You make many poorly formed jumps of intuition here. What do you mean that he has rejected 95% of Catholic Tradition and practice? All he said is that just because some religious experiences may be unsound, the idea of religion cannot be dismissed. And, likewise, just because some miracles may be frauds, that doesn’t mean the entirety of miracles are frauds.

      Maybe you got confused at the beginning because he asks a really long rhetorical question to himself. He wasn’t advocating doubting religious experiences, he was just saying that they shouldn’t be the basis of our belief in our religion. He was talking about any religion in general. Naturally, as Christians, we already have a religion so we can practice discernment as you say, and if you has some sort of vision that seemed to tell you to do or believe something against God, you would know not to. Furthermore, he speaks in favor of the credibility of miracles as reason for belief.

      He hasn’t rejected anything, he as just shown how erroneous it is to assume that because some are frauds, all are frauds.

    • If you’re not familiar with philosophical arguments, I suggest you listen to it again. He wasn’t making a theological argument, but a philosophical one. This wasn’t about Catholicism in particular, this was just the general reasoning why one can’t deny religion just because some people have false religious experiences.

      • I haven’t read/seen the video yet but i do agree with you about the reason why one can’t deny religion just because some people have false religious experiences. Some people seem to jump from one religion to another because of their, i guess, feelings or personal view about the church. They seem to be looking at something that seem to be favorable to them. And that is not right.

  2. This was very unclear without a vailid logical conclusion. Much faith is of miricles will happen and happen every day. Faith is to anticipate and accept miricles will happen to one every day. In the Hail Mary as RC we pray each day and anticipate and know that miricles will happen, thus our faith in Jesus Christ is to accept the Miricle of the Revelation of the sacrifice as the Son of Man and the Reserection on the Third Day the greatest miricle of all time on earth. Thus faith for all RC is to know, accept and anticipate mirilces every day.

    I think you would do well to clerify the logic of this presentation.

    • Please listen to it again, because he said that miracles are valid reasons for faith. The only point he made is that the argument that SOME miracles and SOME experiences are may not be legitimate and, therefore, there is no reason to practice a religion, is an illogical argument. I am afraid you have taken offense where there is no cause to do so.

      He did say that “some religion is to be rejected, that is religion based on religious experience,” and need to note the word “based.” Your Catholic faith is surely accompanied by religious experiences, but your faith is not BASED on the experiences. Like he says “we do wrong to presume in such graces,” because there will come times of spiritual dryness where you have no such experiences, and a religion based on them will falter and fail.

  3. as i’ve learned, miracles and signs, and also visions, are one of the fruits of faith, devotion, and perseverance in Christ our Lord. Though some of them are or can be a deceit from the devil.

    Still, praying to the Holy spirit can help us discern weather if its a miracle, or a false miracle

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