Father Barron on Leaving The Church

Very refreshing to see and hear a clear message. Many people that I know who say they are leaving the church say that they need to be feed. I guess they mean the Word of God. I generally reply by saying … “as a child our parents and grandparents feed us both physically and spirituality… now that we are big boys and girls we learn to walk, potty, talk, think for ourselves. Would it not make sense we seek out the God and feed our own soul. God is always seeking us out and looking for his children, just ask Adam and Eve. All we have to do to fill that void is reach out to our loving Father and he will be there to help us feed our own souls.” Many dont like hearing this … All great relationships take a certain amount of work to for the relationship to grown and remain meaningful and just may take some sacrifice. Ask Jesus about sacrifice for those he loves when he was hanging on that cross.

Love this! God bless Fr. Barron!

Henry, so your acquaintences are leaving Jesus, body, blood, soul and divinity for what? Fellowship? Are they not listening to the readings at Mass? I think we get more bible readings than any other denominations! Great point!

Very nice Fr. Barron. All the people I know who have left the Church give reasons that have less to do with the imperfections of the Church than they do with the person wanting to live outside of the doctrines of the Church. Sadly, most have never known what the Catholic faith is even about. I cannot imagine ever giving up the Eucharist or the Sacrament of Reconciliation. I pray for all those who have walked away and all those who have never known the Church, to find their way to the truth and the fullness of the Catholic faith.

Bravo!

I’m a recent convert, and I’m in RCIA now. My being a Protestant for 40 some odd years was never as fulfilling as my 1 1/2 years in Catechism. I’ve never felt this close to Christ, ever. I’ll never leave the Church, and I profess her beauty to everyone.

here here … fully agree with Fr B! Never be ashamed to defend and protect the most important institution that built Europe! The Catholic Church Builder of Civilization, The Church & Science Ep 1 [Part 1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWPrTdK3EN0

Hearing Fr. Barron talk reminds me of Fr. Leonard Feeney from the 1950’s, “there is no salvation outside the Church”. I would suggest he venture outside the church building and and make friends with at least one person outside of his personal success system if he wants to understand the gospel, and who is being saved, and what Church means. If you talk to Hospice workers everyone is being saved, some do all the interior work at the very end of life. Fr. Barron has all the answers to the difficult life issues for all of humanity, I find this more than a little arrogant.

Saturday, December 17, 2011
ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON CARDINAL RICHARD CUSHINGS LEGACY: FOLLOWERS INCLUDE USCCB, EWTN, CATHOLIC ANSWERS, SSPX, SEDEVACANTISTS MHFM
He assumed the baptism of desire was visible and so contradicted the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. He assumed that those saved with the baptism of desire and in invincible ignorance were known to us and so it contradicts Fr. Leonard Feeney’s traditional interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Since the time of the Archbishop Cardinal Richard Cushing it is assumed there are two interpretations of the dogma. 1)the rigorist interpretation of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the popes and saints and 2) the non rigorist interpretation. The non rigorist interpretation says everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation except for those in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. It is assumed here that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma. So this is a ‘new ‘interpretation.

We now know that there is only one interpretation of the dogma, the centuries old interpretation since the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are not known to us.

It is assumed that Vatican Council II, Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance, good conscience) is an exception to the dogma. This would be assuming that those saved in invincible ignorance are defacto known to us in particular cases. We know that they are not visible and explicitly known to us but known only to God. So they are not exceptions to the dogma.

De facto everyone needs to enter the Church for salvation. De jure in principle those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are known only to God. The baptism of water is explicit. The baptism of desire is implicit.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was addressed directly to the Archbishop of Boston. It was critical of the Archbshop. It mentioned ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible statement’. The dogma does not mention any exceptions. The dogma also indicates, like Fr. Leonard Feeney, that everyone needs to explicitly enter the Church for salvation.

Today the USCCB (United States Conference of Catholic Bishops), Eternal Word Television Network, Catholic Answers, Society of St. Pius X, Pontifical seminaries and universities, sedevacantists, priests, nuns and lay Catholics are all unknowingly following the legacy of the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits of Boston College.

They assume the baptism of desire etc is visible and so is an exception to the dogma.
-Lionel Andrades