Fra. Joseph Mary, F.I. explains the Catholic teaching that There is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church and who are those that are inside and outside the Catholic Church.

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  1. I have ‘dial up’ and am getting this discourse bit by bit…and I’m impatient. Is there possibly a way to READ this somewhere. If you go to FB…I commented with writings from The Catechism of the Catholic Church. I hope you read what I copied from the Catechism. I hope you can respond to them. Specifically #’s 55 and 161. Also regarding the revelations of the Divine Mercy readings from St. Faustina…and words from Our Lady from Medjugorje…I cannot ever believe salvation would be only for Catholics…Jesus wants all mankind to be saved…His Creation. So Please…I want to READ what you are teaching…Thanks Pat Rutter

  2. It is really comforting to know that those who feel they have the true Church outside the Catholic Church and are faithful what they feel is the true church, are also within the Catholic Church as spiritual members. I know many devout Christians who have a deep loving devotion to our Lord and a profound yet simple depth of faith… who feel we are the Antichrist or whore of Babylon etc…. though they are mistaken about us… they are so humble and confident in the Saving Love of Jesus… beautiful and sad at the same time.
    I am assuming this is true also of those who feel this way about the Church of Islam or Hindu’s? The gift of faith is really that a ‘gift’.

  3. Very interesting commentary! The unfortunate aspect is that non-catholic christians will see this as typical dogma of the Peter/Pauline church. This video only serves to reinforce a point of view of continued “reformation” against the church, misunderstanding Christ’s vision (that we be one). The cause may be much too much pain, and grated nerves over historical matters unrelated to reality. I agree with Mary (above). A recent move to incorporate “other churches” is the move by United States Council of Catholic Bishops because their use of the “Trinitarian Formula.” I fear that Calvin and his belief of perpetual reformation will effectively bar any theological understanding of Christ’s message.

  4. Comments are an invaluable part of the blogosphere. On more than one occasion, I’ve learned a SIGNIFICANT amount of information from the comments section. If the comments are not productive, then they should be moderated if the site owner so chooses.

  5. YOUTUBE VIDEO DOES NOT SAY ALL NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH BUT ONLY THOSE WHO KNOW ABOUT THE CHURCH
    Fra. Joseph Mary FFI of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate,USA seems to have succumbed to the propaganda on the secular media on outside the Church there is no salvation and has produced a video on You tube.

    His conclusion is that the Catholic Church is founded by Jesus. Man has a moral obligation to seek out this church and to enter it. He says outside of the True Church there is no salvation. “By this we don’t mean that just because (1:34) someone is not a Catholic there automatically is no hope of salvation”.

    “Those are outside the Church who know and are convinced that the Catholic Church is the Church which Jesus founded but still don’t become one of her members. Then secondly those are outside the Church who through their own serious neglect don’t realize that the Catholic Church is the Church Jesus founded and they refuse to even consider the Catholic Church’s claim to be the true Church”.

    The dogmatic teaching is that all non Catholics need to enter the Church to avoid Hell. This is the official teaching of the Catholic Church for centuries.

    The official teaching is that everyone on earth needs to enter the Church and if there is anyone in invincible ignorance as compared to those who ‘know’, then these exceptions will be known only to God.

    Those who know and do not enter as compared to those in invincible ignorance are known only to God. The general rule is that every one needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water to go to Heaven (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Cantate Domino, Council of Florence, Dominus Iesus 20 etc). There can be exceptions known only to God.

    Fr. Joseph Mary probably believes that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy. It is not known if he has read the dogma Cantate Domino. Also Lumen Gentium 16’s reference to non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance does not contradict Cantate Domino or Ad Gentes 7.

    Those who ‘know’, those in invincible ignorance and those who are in partial communion with the Church are cases which can only be accepted by us in principle, as a concept. They can never be de facto for us.

    Since they are not de facto known to us they do not contradict the ex cathedra dogma Cantate Domino which says every one must be a formal member of the Church.

    If only those who know and do not enter are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14) then LG 14 contradicts Ad Gentes 7 which says all people need the baptism of water for salvation. It would also mean that Lumen Gentium 14 contradicts the dogma Cantate Domino on outside the Church there is no salvation.

    It doesn’t make sense.

    It is important that Bro. Joseph read Cantate Domino and compare it with Ad Gentes 7. When he can affirm it then consider the subject, outside the Church there is no salvation.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 says all need to enter the Church as if entering through a door.

    So even if there is someone saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire it does not contradict CCC 846 that all need to enter the Church as through a door.

    CCC 845 repeats St.Thomas Aquinas in saying that the Church is like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the flood. This is what the secular hostile media calls ‘the rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma.

    There can be only one interpretation and the centuries-old interpretation is the same as Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846.

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/youtube-video-does-not-say-all-need-to.html

  6. Monday, November 14, 2011
    IS THE SSPX MASS VALID? YES, BUT THE PRIEST COULD BE IN MORTAL SIN FOR REJECTING A DEFINED DOGMA WITH HIS ‘EXCEPTIONS’
    There are conditions for offering the Tridentine Rite Mass. Are they being met by the SSPX ?

    The Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) priests offer the Tridentine Rite Mass and consider the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance as exceptions to the thrice defined dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They are in the same position as the priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass in different languages.

    However the SSPX claims on its website that they affirm the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They also imply that those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are explicitly known to us and so it is an exception to the dogmatic teaching. This is a denial, a rejection of the dogma.

    The baptism of desire is always implicit. It would have to be explicitly known to conflict with the dogma outside the church there is no salvation. Yet this is implied in the articles by Fr.Francois Laisney and Fr.Peter Scott. Since these cases are hidden they are really not exceptions. There are no defacto exceptions. If we consider them as exceptions it would mean we can meet non Catholics on the street saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire. You could say to such a person whom you meet, “ Hi John, I’m glad you were saved with the baptism of desire you arose from the dead and returned to live with us once again. I heard the same thing happened with your sister Francesca”.
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholics-are-fighting-it-out-on.html#links

    Invincible Ignorance and the baptism of desire are not exceptions to the dogma but explicitly known invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire are exceptions.So one has to imply that the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are explicitly known. We have to assume that we can meet someone on the street saved with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance. Only because it is ‘explicitly known’ is it an exception to the dogma.If it was implicit it would not be an exception. The SSPX website says Fr.Leonard Feeney was wrong since those saved with the baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma.

    Fr. Leonard Feeney was correct in saying there were no exceptions to the dogmatic teaching. The dogma does not mention exceptions. Neither does Vatican Council II refer to explicit, visible cases of those saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. It refers to implicit cases known to God only.
    There are conditions for offering the Tridentine Rite Mass. Are they being met by the SSPX ?
    -Lionel Andrades

    NO TRIDENTINE RITE MASS WITHOUT EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/no-tridentine-rite-mass-without-extra.html#links

    PRIESTS WHO OFFER TRIDENTINE-RITE AND NOVUS ORDO MASS AGREE THAT WE DO NOT DEFACTO KNOW A SINGLE CASE OF THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE: WE HAVE UNITY ON OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/06/priests-who-offer-tridentine-rite-and.html#links

    FR.FRANCOIS LAISNEY OF THE SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X SAYS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS HAS EXCEPTIONS. THIS IS HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/frfrancois-laisney-of-society-of-stpius.html#links

    SOCIETY OF ST.PIUS X CAUSING CONFUSION ON ECUMENISM
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/society-of-stpius-x-causing-confusion.html

    NORMS FOR THE TRIDENTINE RITE MASS VIOLATED ?

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/norms-for-tridentine-rite-mass-violated.html

    NON CATHOLICS CAN BE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE, BAPTISM OF DESIRE AND IT DOES NOT CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS- Daphne McLeod, Pro Ecclesia et Pontifice, England
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/non-catholics-can-be-saved-in.html

    INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE NOT EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA BUT A BOOK SOLD BY THE SSPX SAYS THEY ARE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/invincible-ignorance-and-baptism-of.html#links

    FR. PETER SCOTT, SSPX NEED TO ISSUE A CLARIFICATION: HOW CAN THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BE EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/fr-peter-scott-sspx-need-to-issue.html

    BISHOP ROBERT FINN, BISHOP RAYMOND BOLAND AFFIRM THE ‘RIGORIST INTERPRETATION’ OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : NO DENIAL FROM KANSAS CITY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/bishop-robert-finn-bishop-raymond.html#links

    BISHOP EMERITUS RAYMOND J.BOLAND OF KANSAS CITY CORRESPONDS WITH FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/bishop-emeritus-raymond-jboland-of.html#links

    SSPX ,CATHOLIC TRADITIONALISTS ARE ANATHEMA ACCORDING TO THE SYLLABUS OF ERRORS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/sspx-catholic-traditionalists-are.html

    DAPHNE MCLEOD COMMENT A BOMBSHELL FOR ENGLISH BISHOPS?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/daphne-mcleod-comment-bombshell-for.html

    ASSISI INTERFAITH MEETING OCT.27: OLD PROBLEM AMONG TRADITIONALISTS SURFACE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/assisi-interfaith-meeting-oct27-old.html

    SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS DE FACTO KNOWN TO US : DISCERNING LIBERALS MUST BE LAUGHING UP THEIR SLEEVE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/sspx-considers-those-saved-in_24.html

    SSPX CONSIDERS THOSE SAVED IN INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE AND WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE AS EXCEPTIONS TO THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS THIS IS HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/sspx-considers-those-saved-in.html

    SSPX IN HERESY CALLS ATTENTION TO HERESY AT ASSISI
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/sspx-in-heresy-calls-attention-to.html#links

    SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/09/sspx-clarify-for-us-what-is-your.html#links

    ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE CALLED “TO PREACH” THE RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF “EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS”
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-called-to.html#links

    SSPX CLARIFY FOR US WHAT IS YOUR DOCTRINAL POSITION ON THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/09/sspx-clarify-for-us-what-is-your.html#links

    Michael Voris Hits the Jackpot…that is, “the dogma”- Brother André Marie MICM :RealCatholicTV affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/09/michael-voris-hits-jackpotthat-is-dogma.html#links

    CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/catholic-lay-professor-at-universita.html

    LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html

    FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html#links

    CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

    BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

    PONTIFICAL COUNCIL FOR CHRISTIAN UNITY INDICATES POPES, SAINTS IN HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/pontifical-council-for-christian-unity.html

    Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity claims Pope Pius XII condemned the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus :suggests those in invincible ignorance are explicitly known to us and so contradicts the dogma
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/pontifical-council-for-promoting.html

    Vatican website for clergy promotes ‘theology of religions’, Kung and Knitter : claims Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for the same interpretation of the dogma as the popes and saints
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/vatican-webste-for-clergy-promotes.html

    CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links

    CATHOLIC HERALD, U.K: IS IT STILL CATHOLIC?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholic-herald-uk-is-it-still-catholic.html

    ANGELICUM UNIVERSITY IS CHURNING OUT THEOLOGY DEGREES FOR THOSE WHO SAY FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR REJECTING THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/angelicum-university-is-churning-out.html

    SSPX BISHOPS, PRIESTS REJECT EX CATHEDRA DOGMA OFFICIALY, OFFER MASS: NO CONTRADICTION FROM BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/06/sspx-bishops-priests-reject-ex-cathedra.html

    BISHOP BERNARD FELLAY AFFIRMS RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS : CONFUSION ON SEDEVANTIST WEBSITE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/09/bishop-bernard-fellay-affirms-rigorist.html

    CDF, VATICAN, SSPX, MOST HOLY FAMILY MONASTERY IN TENSION OVER STRAWMAN
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/09/cdf-vatican-sspx-most-holy-family.html

    ARCHBISHOP MARCEL LEFEBVRE HAD AFFIRMED THE RIGORIST INTERPRETATION OF THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/09/archbishop-marcel-lefebvre-had-affirmed.html

    SSPX SUPERIOR CONFIRMS HERESY

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/09/tridentine-rite-priests-in-rome-using.html

    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/is-sspx-mass-valid-yes-but-priest-could.html

  7. Monday, December 12, 2011
    CBCEW ECUMENICAL OFFICERS, CATECHISTS AGREE THAT THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS NOT AN EXCEPTION TO THE DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
    The Conference of Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales (CBCEW) ecumenical offfers and catechists agree that the baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

    Since those saved in invincible ignorance are unknown to us there cannot be two interpretations of the dogma, ‘ rigorist interpretation’ and non-rigorist interpretation.The Conference of Catholic Bishops of England and Wales (CBCEW) is back to the centuries old interpretation of the dogma;the only interpretation. The secular media refer to the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma assuming there is a second interpretation. They assume that the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are defacto known to us and so contradict the original interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

    Representatives of Churches Together in England and Ireland have been informed of this issue.

    Catholics bishops seem to agree with the ‘rigorist interpretation’ of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.They agree there is no visible baptism of desire and so the baptism of desire and those saved in invincible ignorance are not exceptions to the thrice- defined dogma which Pope Pius XII called an ‘infallible statement’.

    These blog posts were sent to representatives of the CBEW asking for their comments.They have been sent to, among others, the:

    General Secretariat lorraine.welch@cbcew.org.uk, Department of Dialogue and Unity dialunity@cbcew.org.uk, Department Administrator : grace.applewaithe@cbcew.org.uk

    They accept that this is the teaching of the Magisterium.There are no denials. None of them claim that the baptism of desire is visible.
    -Lionel Andrades

    ENGLISH CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONCEDE THERE IS NO VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE – LAY CATHOLICS AFFIRM VATICAN COUNCIL II AND THE DOGMA IN MISSION PROGRAMS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/english-catholic-bishops-concede-there.html#links

    Thursday, December 8, 2011
    CONFERENCE OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS OF ENGLAND AND WALES AGREE THAT THERE IS NO VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE : breakthrough in salvation dogma, back to centuries old interpretation.
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/conference-of-catholic-bishops-of.html

    CARDINAL CORMAC MURPHY O’CONNOR AFFIRMS THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND AGREES WITH DAPHNE MCLEOD
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/cardinal-cormac-murphy-oconnor-affirms.html

    ECCLESSIOLOGY OF ENGLISH BISHOPS HIT BY TWO ERRORS 1) VISIBLE BAPTISM OF DESIRE 2) FR.LEONARD FEENEY EXCOMMUNICATED FOR THE SAME VIEW AS POPES, SAINTS AND DOGMA OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/ecclessiology-of-english-bishops-hit-by.html

    CATHOLIC BISHOPS CONFERENCE OF ENGLAND AND WALES SAYS THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE, INVINCIBLE IGNORANCE ARE VISIBLE TO US
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/catholic-bishops-conference-of-england.html

    ECUMENISM OF THE ENGLISH BISHOPS CONTRARY TO VATICAN COUNCIL II
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/ecumenism-of-english-bishops-contrary.html#links

    CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/catholic-lay-professor-at-universita.html

    LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/legionary-of-christ-priest-frrafael.html

    FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html#links

    CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS DE FIDE AND NOT CONTRADICTED BY VATICAN COUNCIL II- Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/cantate-domino-council-of-florence-on.html

    BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/07/brazilian-priest-says-vatican-council.html#links

    CATHOLIC PRIESTS IN ROME AGREE WITH FR.LEONARD FEENEY: THERE IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE THAT WE CAN KNOW OF
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/catholic-priests-in-rome-agree-with.html#links

    DAPHNE MCLEOD’S COMMENT SHOULD BE A WAKE UP CALL FOR SSPX, TRADITIONALISTS AND ENGLISH BISHOPS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/10/daphne-mcleods-comment-should-be-wake.html#links

    LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 WAS CRITICAL OF ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/letter-of-holy-office-was-critical-of.html

    IN ANALYSING THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 YOU ARE USING A DEFACTO-DEJURE ANALYSIS OR A DEFACTO-DEFACTO ANALYSIS.WHETHER YOU KNOW IT OR NOT YOUR USING ONE OF THE TWO
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/in-analysing-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

    CONFUSION OVER THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/confusion-over-letter-of-holy-office.html

    REMEMBER THAT THE REPORT BY FR.WILLIAM MOST ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL TEACHING OF THE CHURCH: IT CONTAINS ERRORS AND HERESY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/remember-that-report-by-frwilliam-most.html

    CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/11/cardinal-ratzinger-did-not-violate.html

  8. Thursday, December 15, 2011
    CAN YOU DIRECT ME TO THE TRACT OR ARTICLE IN WHICH FR.LEONARD FEENEY DENIES THE FAITH? “NO WE CANNOT”. THEY QUOTE OTHER SOURCES
    The Bread of Life was published after the excommunication. He was excommunicated for disobedience and not heresy. The excommunication was lifted without him having to recant or change any of his writings.

    Whatever be ones opinion on Fr. Leonard Feeney we can all agree that there is no visible baptism of desire and implicit baptism of desire is not an exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

    People have different opinions about Fr. Leonard Feeney and they usually repeat what others have said or written about him. They are unable to provide any text written by him which is heretical.

    The excommunication was for disobedience to Church authority. He refused to go to Rome when called, he refused to accept a transfer and he called the Archbishop Cardinal Richard Cushing a heretic. It was unbelievable at that time that a cardinal could teach heresy. Today, we have the example of Cardinal Walter Kaspar, Cardinal Carlo Martini S.J etc.

    The Archbishop believed those saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire were exceptions to the dogma and to Fr. Leonard Feeney’s traditional interpretation. For him the baptism of desire would be visible for it to be an exception to the dogma. This is the rejection of the dogma which says all need to convert into the Church for salvation. The Archbishop rejected the dogma, with his exceptions, which Pope Pius XII called the ‘infallible statement’ in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The Letter was addressed to the Archbishop and not Fr.Leonard Feeney. The pope was telling the Archbishop that all non Catholics in Boston need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell. The ‘dogma’ mentioned in the Letter did not mention any exceptions like the baptism of desire. This was an issue raised by Cardinal Richard Cushing and the Jesuits in Boston and which was then inserted in Vatican Council II . The Archbishop did not know the Faith or did not want to profess it.

    The Church has accepted the baptism of desire (Council of Trent etc) but to claim that it is not implicit but explicit and is an exception to the dogma is heresy.

    Fr. Leonard Feeney and the St. Benedict Center were disobedient as the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions. They were disobedient but not heretical.

    De facto everyone needs to enter the Church, as taught by the dogma. De jure a person can be saved with implicit baptism of desire and it would be known only to God. The baptism of water and teaching someone the Catholic Faith is explicit. The baptism of desire is never explicitly known to us.

    So we accept the baptism of desire (Letter of the Holy Office, Council of Trent) and also the possibility of non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16) however we do not imply that they are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. -Lionel Andrades

  9. Tuesday, January 10, 2012
    ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH: OUTSIDE THE CHURCH NO SALVATION
    The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) under the sub heading outside the church there is no salvation mentions invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire as exceptions. They are not defacto exceptions.

    Vatican Council II also mentions invincible ignorance (LG 16) but nowhere implies that it is an exception to the dogma or the ordinary means of salvation.

    The Catechism instead implies that those who are saved in invincible ignorance are visible and known to us, so the baptism of water is needed by only those who know about Jesus and the Church.

    The text of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus states that everyone needs to enter the Church. The text of the dogma defined three times is not included in the Catechism.This is all misleading.

    To imply that the baptism of desire is a defacto exception to the dogma is heresy. It is indifferentism when one says non Catholics can be defacto saved in their religion and we know who these cases are. This teaching is not part of the Deposit of the Faith. It is irrational and a repititon of the Richard Cushing Error.

    Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger in preparing the Catechism did not violate the Principle of Non Contradiction. Since defactro every one needs to enter the Church for salvation (Cantate Domino, Council of Florence) and dejure, in principle, in theory and known only to God a person can be saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire.

    Placing invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire under the subheading Outside the Church NO Salvation however implies that they are relevant to the dogma or defacto exceptions.

    For the Catechism to say that the baptism of water is needed for only those who know about Jesus and the Church could imply that those saved in invincible ignorance are defacto known to us in the present time. It implies that we know these particular cases and so we cannot say that everyone on earth with no exception needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of desire for salvation: to avoid the fires of Hell.

    Also to suggest that only those who ‘know’ need the baptism of water for salvation would imply that Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated not for disobedience but for heresy. It would also imply that the excommunication was wrongly lifted by the Catholic Church without the priest having to recant or make changes in his writing. It also implies that the popes, saints and Fr. Leonard Feeney were wrong in saying everyone needs to be an explicit member of the Church for salvation. It would also be a contradiction of three Councils which defined the dogma in an extra ordinary mode. The ‘dogma’ is referred to in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 as the ‘infallible statement’.

    For a priest to knowingly say that there are defacto exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus is a first class heresy and a mortal sin. He is refuting the Nicene Creed in which we pray, “I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins” and “I believe in the Holy Spirit the Holy Catholic Church”. It was the Holy Spirit which guided the Magisterium of the Church to teach over the centuries that outside the church there is no salvation.

    A priest, who knowingly continues in this error, even after being informed, is in manifest public heresy and is not to offer Mass without receiving absolution in the Confessional and making public amends; removing the sacrilege. Similarly it would be a sacrilege for a lay person knowingly in this error to receive the Eucharist.
    -Lionel Andrades

    ERRORS IN THE CATECHISM ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/errors-in-catechism.html

    Practically everyone needs the baptism of water for salvation while in theory a person can be saved with the baptism of desire – Rector, Church Santa Maria Annunziata, Rome
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/practically-everyone-needs-baptism-of.html

    In the Catechism of the Catholic Church why did Cardial Joseph Ratzinger not mention that the baptism of desire is not a defacto exception to the dogma outside the church no salvation nor to Vatican Council II ?
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/in-catechism-of-catholic-church-why-did.html

    ETERNAL WORD TELEVISION NETWORK (EWTN) SAYS ‘SUBMISSION TO THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND THE SOVEREIGN PONTIFF IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION’
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2012/01/eternal-word-television-network-ewtn.html

    CHURCH TEXT IS CRITICAL OF THE ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON : REFERS TO IMPLICIT AND NOT EXPLICIT (TO US) BAPTISM OF DESIRE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/church-text-critical-of-archbishop-of.html

    VICARIATE OFFICES FOR YOUTH AND THE SICK ARE TEACHING ERRORS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/vicariate-offices-for-youth-and-sick.html

    YOUTUBE VIDEO QUESTIONS TO ASK THE CATHOLIC CHAPLAIN OR PROFESSOR
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/youtube-video-questions-to-ask-catholic.html

    PROFESSION OF FAITH: I BELIEVE IN THE HOLY CATHOLIC CHURCH
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/profession-of-faith-i-believe-in-holy.html

    DID THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS? NO
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/did-letter-of-holy-office-1949.html

    ROME VICARIATE HIT BY THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR : Centro Della pastorale sanitaria says the baptism of water is not defacto needed for the salvation of all on earth
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/rome-vicariate-hit-by-richard-cushing.html

    BOSTON ARCHDIOCESE WEBSITE SAYS NOSTRA AETATE DISMISSES CHURCH INTEREST IN BAPTIZING JEWS AND AFFIRMS GOD’S COVENANT WITH THEM : NOWHERE DOES VATICAN COUNCIL II MAKE THIS CLAIM
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/boston-archdiocese-website-says-nostra.html

    CATHOLIC ANSWERS SUCCUMBS TO THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/catholic-answers-succumbs-to-richard.html

    MSGR.JOSEPH FENTON AND FR. WILLIAM MOST DID NOT NOTICE THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/msgrjoseph-fenton-and-fr-william-most.html

    USCCB REPORT MAKES ALLOWANCE FOR THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/usccb-report-makes-allowance-for.html

    FR.LEONARD FEENEY AND HIS COMMUNITIES HAVE ACCEPTED THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE PER SE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/frleonard-feeney-and-his-communities.html

    ARCHBISHOP OF BOSTON CARDINAL RICHARD CUSHINGS LEGACY: FOLLOWERS INCLUDE USCCB, EWTN, CATHOLIC ANSWERS, SSPX, SEDEVACANTISTS MHFM
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/archbishop-of-boston-cardinal-richard.html

    CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Catholics%20United%20for%20the%20Faith

    FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/08/frtullio-rotondo-affirms-cantate-domino.html#links

    LEGIONARY OF CHRIST PRIEST FR.RAFAEL PASCUAL AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Fr.Rafael%20Pascual%20L.C

    CATHOLIC LAY PROFESSOR AT UNIVERSITA EUROPA DI ROMA AFFIRMS DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
    http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/search/label/Corrado%20Gnerre

  10. This is absolutely a lie.
    Catholics churches world wide are all polluted with images called sacramental or relics.
    God is agree with the , because many who are dead are suffering in hell because of there reference for images.
    Exodus 20:4
    Deuteronomy 5: 8
    Clearly state it.
    Rosary is a gimmick from the devil to deceiving the church, it is a replica of that sapent who deceive Eve handed down to the church.
    Pls people wake up from your slumber before you end up in hell.
    It took me years of search and meditation.
    HE [GOD] prompted me to write this.
    HE has send me to many price but they bluff me. I went through many. HE just send to Ado-Ekiti to go and evangelis there but too difficult for me.
    He who has hear let him listened to what the spirit is saying.

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